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Re: “Worked Up

How about this one? Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.[14]

Where the party in question simply assumes paying $23 bucks an hour to everyone will somehow make every thing better. According to the Greeks, it does not work unless the Germans pay for it.

Circular reasoning (circulus in demonstrando) – when the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with; sometimes called assuming the conclusion.

We raise wages to $23 bucks an hour and everything gets better. Seriously, can it be more circular that that?

Every argument for Envision's ideas is a false argument based solely on socialist or communist principles that have failed in dozens of countries world wide over the last 150 years. The net result is 200,000,000 dead from wars, purges and mass executions and billions of people had to live and die in poverty.

Every single method of communication you use today was created, invented, manufactured, marketed and managed by a capitalist (for profit) company. All of your clothes, your home, car and every trinket and bauble was part of profit based commerce. Communism creates nothing of value.

Ask Zimbabwe how printing money to raise wages and driving out all of the nasty capitalists has worked so far. Every citizen of Zimbabwe has more money that Bill Gates. Many of them have trillions of Zimbabwean dollars in their bank accounts. YES, TRILLIONS that can be used to buy a $50,000,000,000,000 loaf of bread or a $125,000,000,000,000 two liter bottle of soda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hurray communism.

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Posted by whocares on 10/05/2015 at 12:02 PM

Re: “The Price of Freedom

Where EXACTLY do you think he gets his meth? The meth fairy brings it every time another tooth falls out? He has stolen from you to feed his habit, did it hurt? He has abandoned his family for drugs, did that hurt. He hurts people who are foolish enough to trust him.

On the rare occasion he tries to work, he hurts those who try and employ him, when he steals from them and goes to work stoned.

He knows exactly who robs or mugs him because he was getting high with them two minutes before they decided to steal from him. Birds of a feather, as they say, flock together.

It is the truth that hurts.

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Posted by whocares on 10/05/2015 at 11:41 AM

Re: “Worked Up

If an increased hourly wage is beneficial and has no negative consequences, why stop at $23.00 per hour? Why not raise the minimum wage to $1,000.00 per hour? Everybody will have a lifestyle that is far more comfortable than they could afford with a mere "working wage." And because everybody would have so much more discretionary income, all that spending would turbo charge the economy, wouldn't it?

Furthermore, since corporations are an impediment to the best interests of the workers and the community, why not outlaw them? For that matter, outlaw any collective business model that could allow the concentration of wealth or political influence. Oh, sure, some might argue that such laws would prevent people from obtaining useful and/or necessary goods and services like health care, automobiles, or even fresh underwear, but state, local, and federal government could provide people with what they need. And since the government isn't profit-driven, we'd all be better off.

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Posted by muddydog on 10/05/2015 at 10:25 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys


Same as Tim Connor's..."investigated" by Teresa Sanders...actually never investigated....swept under the rug like the rest.

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Posted by Brian R Breen on 10/04/2015 at 4:44 PM

Re: “The Wizard of Spokane

So glad they left Brian Main out to continue to scam people and try and steal their company names and ideas, if the feds had any smarts at all, they would go look up the bullshit corporations he is setting up trying to fake his way into the weed business. He is still a lying conman that should have stayed in New York and never came back. KARMA IS COMING FOR YOU SCUMBAG. Anyone that thinks Brian Main is reputable and honest business man is a fool. Maybe someone should start paying attention to what this guy is doing back in our state.

Posted by Truth on 10/04/2015 at 7:30 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

"The same year, retired Spokane Police Officer Brian Breen lodged another complaint against Straub, also alleging that he lied to city council by exaggerating the number of domestic violence cases fielded by Spokane police."

What was the outcome of that complaint Mr. Breen?

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Posted by slednek509 on 10/03/2015 at 1:52 PM

Re: “Inside or Out?

I got a push poll from the mayor and Biel. It attempts to more smear Lori Kinnear, rather than be a legitimate poll. What a nasty dirty tactic!

Posted by True Justice on 10/02/2015 at 8:29 PM

Re: “Worked Up

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than addressing the content of their arguments. When used inappropriately, it is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.[2] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.[3]

Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[4][5][6] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.

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Posted by TheGreenURL on 10/02/2015 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Man vs. Wolf

Hope the wolves escaped the fires

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Posted by WatchingWolf on 10/02/2015 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

Poster "Quik" would like people to believe the firing of Straub was a "Bloodless small town Coup d'etat?" by the Lts and Captains Association. The truth is that on the same date the L&C Association filed a complaint also did SPD Directors; Dobrow, Smith, Schwering, and Lynds. All four stated the observed the following:

* Unreasonable emotional outbursts
* Personal Attacks
* Threats regarding our employment and position
* Scare tactics
* Retaliation
* Degradation of character
* Demeaning and condescending treatment
* Profane and highly inappropriate language
* Misrepresentation of the Mayor, City Administrator, and others

The individuals making these allegations are NOT the Lts and Captains Association, they are Straub's hand-picked Exempt Directors.

The most troubling allegation for the Community should be *UNTRUTHFULNESS" something many of us have been pointing out for over three years. The question is WHY was the "Untruthfulness" tolerated by Straub's hand-picked exempt staff for so long.

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Posted by Brian R Breen on 10/02/2015 at 5:34 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

One of the things Dr. Frank Straub did for the Spokane Police Department was bring in his close friends from the Department of Justice COPS Division along with the Center for Naval Analysis to Spokane under the guise of reform. This is something that I wrote and posted in March 2015. Just let me say that I was never able to get anyone to express the least concern about the presence of the DOJ and CNA in Spokane or their conflict of interest with Straub.

(After recently re-posting this information from March 2015, I discovered that CNA has purged its website of materials. Their "News" no longer contains the archives that it previously did, the Planning Primer done for police on how to better repress protesters is no longer on their site, etc. Just another reminder on why copying webpages is essential. I have gone back and done my best to provide a substitute link for each missing link either from the CNA site or DOJ or elsewhere that makes my original point. I have left the CNA purged links to reveal their methods).

Here is my March 2015 post with the old and new links:

A meeting tomorrow (Thursday, March 18) at 7 pm at Spokane's West Central Community Center will feature another dog-and-pony show orchestrated by the Spokane Police Department and Chief Frank Straub.

The so-called "review" by the Department of Justice (DOJ) of the Spokane Police Department, released in December 2014 was done, not by the DOJ-COPS (DOJ's Office of Community Oriented Policing Services), but by CNA, the Center for Naval Analysis, a federal military contractor created in the early 1940s to study the use of mines during World War 2 and which has done high-level military and intelligence analysis since that time.
* This CNA piece, presented as an example of what CNA has been its bread-and-butter since its inceptions, on protest in the 1960s, now appears totally inaccessible except by purchase from password protected, non- CNA sites.…

Virtually all media coverage of CNA relates to its military intelligence analysis work on Syria, Ukraine, Nigeria, Iran, etc., much of it post-battle assessments (on their website you will find the Inlander's December 18, 2013 article as the lone non-military/non-national security reference to CNA among literally scores of references to foreign conflict zones).
* (Subsequent to my posting in March 2015 CNA scrubbed its site and removed its news archives which went back several years. This is that scrubbed link Nevertheless, this gives you a good feel from what I am talking about --

To the extent it does police work, CNA also does considerable post-battlefield assessment for US law enforcement, i.e., see their post-convention analyses after the 2006 and 2012 Republican and Democratic Party Conventions, designed to assist law enforcement in effect to better repress the public.
* 2012 DNC…
2012 RNC…
(The documents were originally published at the CNA website at… prior to being scrubbed).

In fact, CNA and their Denise Rodriguez King prepared a manual -- entitled "Managing Large-Scale Security Events: A Planning Primer for Local Law Enforcement Agencies" -- for police forces involved in "controlling" the Conventions where "free speech zones", called "pens", were used to restrict free speech.
(The document was originally published at the CNA website at… but subsequently removed from that site).

Then, after authoring that police manual, Rodriguez King came to Spokane under the guise of writing an objective and legitimating (for the SPD) report, the so-called DOJ report of December 2014.
(The document was originally published at the CNA website at… but was subsequently scrubbed).

Also fascinating and troubling is CNA's disclaimer (essentially a warning) to media not to call them the Center for Naval Analysis. This appears intended to hide its primary role as a military and intelligence contractor to the US military.

Finally, and also disturbing, it is worth looking at their list of high-ranking ex-military advisers, i.e., (quote) CNA Corporation's Military Advisory Board (MAB) is an elite group of retired three- and four-star flag and general officers from the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps that studies pressing issues of the day to assess their impact on America’s national security. (end quote)

This is all on top of the fact that, per his resume, Frank Straub has a career--long history of employment with and relationship to US government agencies, including the US Naval Intelligence and the Department of Justice, Department of State's Diplomatic Security. Of interest as well is his time in Mexico City on behalf of Giuliani Inc, advising on policing.

Straub's connections to DOJ-COPS are best represented by his relationship to Joshua Ederheimer, Principal Deputy Director of the DOJ's Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS), Straub and Ederheimer have a long history of association, both as conference presenters together and as police executives for "mid-sized cities", Straub at White Plains and Indianapolis before coming to Spokane, and Ederheimer as the Assistant Chief of the Washington, D.C. police. In 2013, Straub, Ederheimer and Tawana Waugh, a key participant in DOJ "assessments" in Las Vegas and Spokane, participated together on a panel at the annual IACP Conference in 2013.

My expressed belief, including in open forum at Spokane City Council, is that there is a clear and serious conflict of interest which prevents the DOJ from carrying out a proper assessment of the culture of the SPD because their doing so stretches the limits of ethical propriety, with ethics itself being one of the areas on which the cultural assessment that Straub says is not needed would focus and which gets at an area where Straub himself has been criticized in the past.

If anyone wants to talk more about this or wants link prior to this Thursday's dog-and-pony show by Straub at West Central Community Center, just let me know.

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Posted by DavidBrookbank on 10/01/2015 at 7:19 PM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

Thank you to the Inlander for following up on this story and reporting in depth. And thanks to Brian Breen as well for continuing to expose the truth. I'm interested to learn more as the truth is uncovered. It seems obvious there is a cover up, and it's concerning, to say the least, that the SR is not doing the same. I've got to wonder why. There are plenty of rumors already about why that is, now that I have reason to believe them.

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Posted by CafeVino on 10/01/2015 at 5:14 PM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

Pastor Conklin has demonstrated her unmitigate ignorance of human resources law.

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Posted by Guest on 10/01/2015 at 11:36 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

So glad a bigger look at this important story was done. But as always the writers have spent such effort to stay impartial that they use a rediculous number of words to say absolutely nothing. So I'll say it. CAN YOU SAY "Bloodless small town Coup d'etat?

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Posted by Quik on 10/01/2015 at 10:04 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

Brian Breen for King! Ladies and gentlemen, if you are not already familiar, Spokane has but one single person whose head is not firmly inserted in his "fourth-point-of-contact." His name is Brian Breen, and if he says it, you should pay attention. He is non-partisan to any political leanings, but he is absolutely biased--to truth!

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Posted by Hammer Six on 10/01/2015 at 9:38 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

Condon personally paid to fly out people from Indianapolis to testify in favor of Straub?! Who has that kind of money to throw around? This arrogant millionaire mayor is out of touch with real life in Spokane. He certainly doesn't represent me and my family!

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Posted by Christina Hamm on 10/01/2015 at 9:21 AM

Re: “Worked Up

Local communists want everyone to make $23 dollars and they do not care where it comes from. Are people really that ignorant? Apparently, they are in the ranks of the "Envision" crowd. These people feel that a drug addled landscaper deserves to be paid as well as a nurse, mechanic or CDL carrying truck driver.

Do you really think the tens of millions of dollars in addition payroll will result in lower prices for good and services? Lower taxes? Better service? If so, you are tragically stupid.

What will paying every pothead and fry cook in the city $23 dollars per hour net Spokane? Poverty. Yes my friends, it will result in the disappearance of thousands of jobs and millions in tax revenue as hundreds of small and large businesses move into the county or simply migrate to Idaho.

Our city budget will decline, property will becomes worthless, homeowners will be crushed under the weight of new taxes, services will decrease and the city will slip deeper into the cesspool of crime and drugs that is the end result of socialist policies like those envisioned by "Envision".

Wages have to reflect reality. $23 dollar McDonald's cashiers will sell $15 dollar Big Mac's to cover their wages. $23 dollar and hour gas station clerks will sell $7.50 a gallon gas and $23 dollar an hour at Macy's means cheap jeans are $150 per pair. No one will shop there, when prices are normal in the city of Spokane Valley, a mere 2 miles from our socialist utopia.

Support communists and destroy Spokane or vote like you have reasonable intelligence. The choice is yours.

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Posted by whocares on 10/01/2015 at 8:12 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

This is an excellent Inlander piece and does a real good job of pointing out in a fair way some of what many of us have been trying to point out for over three years. There is of course much more to the story but this was great!!!

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Posted by Brian R Breen on 10/01/2015 at 5:57 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

"When asked to talk more specifically about officers' complaints, Condon referred reporters to a public letter signed by senior police officials. Then city spokesman Brian Coddington cut the press conference short, allowing for fewer than 12 minutes of questions."

To be clear the "letter signed by senior police officials" very clearly complains of "inefficient resource allocation", "duplication of efforts", "wasted time", and "unnecessary overtime". Based on the COPS/DOJ Review it appears they too recognized what is obvious to people with law Enforcement backgrounds and recommended a staffing analysis. Unless COPS/DOJ Recommendation 10.5 is conducted independently outside of SPD it will have very little credibility.

Recommendation 10.5
SPD should conduct a staffing analysis to determine if the department is meeting its operational needs and has an adequate amount of staff to ensure its continued mission, objectives, and community policing principles.
SPD should conduct a staffing analysis. This analysis should follow the workload-based model. This model will allow SPD to examine the "levels of demand for police services and matches that demand with the supply for police resources:'143 In addition to examining calls for service received, this model also examines other "operational demands facing the department" 144 (e.g., police activities league [PAL], community meet¬ings, training) and makes staffing determinations based on these findings.

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Posted by Brian R Breen on 10/01/2015 at 5:52 AM

Re: “Fall Out Boys

"Straub has implemented all but one of the recommendations of the Use of Force Commission, a panel appointed by the mayor to look into the police department's use-of-force policies."

Unfortunately that is a common misconception. As Earl Martin pointed out to Frank Straub during one of Straub's presentations before the UOFC there were well over 100 recommendations coming from the UOFC Report. Aside from the Culture Audit which predictably has never taken place nearly all of the other recommendations were ignored. To make things worse when the COPS/DOJ Review made their report they made many of the same recommendations that were made in the UOFC Report which can be found in the Appendixes of the UOFC Report. As far as transparency is concerned the Appendixes to the UOFC Report were removed from all City websites making it impossible for the public to draw the comparison between the over 100 UOFC Recommendations and the COPS/DOJ Recommendations. Some of us citizens downloaded those right away feeling they would soon be gone and they were.

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Posted by Brian R Breen on 10/01/2015 at 5:13 AM

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