Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Off the Bus

Three passengers say they were kicked off a Spokane bus for discussing bisexuality.

Daniel Walters
Jessica Jahn, left, and Mat Kellogg didn't have a great trip on an STA bus. [Photo: Young Kwak]
Jessica Jahn, left, and Mat Kellogg didn't have a great trip on an STA bus. [Photo: Young Kwak]
Jessica Jahn, left, and Mat Kellogg didn't have a great trip on an STA bus. [Photo: Young Kwak]

It was 16-year-old Mat Kellogg’s first time riding the bus in Spokane. But Kellogg, a kid from Deer Park attending Spokane Falls Community College, never finished that ride.

Nor did Jessica Jahn, 21, and Kaitlyn Bahn, 24, who were with him. They are all transsexuals — born one gender but taking hormones to become the other. And they all say they were kicked off the bus in the middle of a South Hill neighborhood, a mile from their bus stop, for discussing bisexuality.

Yet, the riders say that their conversation was never explicit or offensive — unless the words “bisexual” or “queer” are offensive — and that by the time they were actually kicked off the bus, there were no other passengers onboard.

“I know she broke the law,” Jahn says of the bus driver.

According to a short statement issued by the STA Monday, the driver “asked three teenagers to leave the bus because she believed the content of their conversation, which could be heard by other passengers, was not appropriate on the bus.”

There are audio and video recordings on the bus, but STA spokeswoman Molly Myers says that they’re geared for the bus driver and do not show everything. Myers either said she didn’t know or declined to answer several other questions, such as who was investigating the incident, how long the driver had been working for the STA, or whether the driver had been notified The Inlander wanted to interview her.

Even if the bus driver wanted to tell her side of the story, she couldn’t — Myers says drivers are banned from being interviewed. “It’s not an official policy, but it is a directive from the CEO [Susan Meyer],” Myers says.

According to the three riders, they got on a bus downtown heading to Jahn’s house on the South Hill around 1 pm on Oct. 20.

Their first mistake, Jahn says, was sitting too close to the front of bus. Jahn says she’s seen a lot of things on the bus: drugs, yelling, racist remarks. But most of the time, she says, the people were sitting far enough in back that the driver never noticed.

This time the three passengers sat close enough that the driver could hear their conversation. They say the driver overheard Jahn talking about how her landlord felt about her house filling with gay people — right as the bus grew quiet. Sensing the awkward moment, Jahn says she turned to the rest of the people on the bus and said loudly, “In case you haven’t noticed, this is the queer corner of the bus.”

The rest of the ride, Bahn says, conversation was only loud enough to be clearly audible across the aisle. A few minutes later, Jahn commented that she was bisexual. The driver told them that their conversation was inappropriate in public.

They asked the bus driver if she was talking to them, and if they were breaking a rule. The bus driver said yes.

Doug Honig, a spokesman with the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, says he isn’t familiar with the situation. But, he adds, the conversation didn’t appear to be inappropriate.

“Merely mentioning you’re bisexual wouldn’t appear to violate [the rules],” says Honig. “Generally, you have the right to express your speech in public.”

On the bus, Jahn looked up the Spokane municipal code on her iPhone to check the driver’s claims. As soon as the bus emptied of everyone else, Jahn asked if the three could continue with their conversation — noting there was nothing in the municipal code that said they couldn’t.

The driver, according to Jahn, said it didn’t matter: The driver was offended. The three riders asked the driver about her religion and accused her of being discriminatory.

A mile from their intended destination, the driver kicked the riders off the bus. The three repeatedly asked for the driver’s name or identification, Kellogg says, but the driver would only give the bus number.

Within two days, STA had received three separate complaints about the incident. One from Jahn, one from Kellogg’s mother telling the STA that she was pursuing legal action, and another from Carla Savalli, executive director of the Odyssey Youth Center. At Odyssey — an organization supporting Spokane’s gay, bisexual, and transgender youth — all three wrote up formal complaints about the incident.

Savalli was contacted by STA quickly. It took a week for Kellogg’s mother to hear back. And Jahn says she still hasn’t heard any response.

When Savalli heard the story, she says she was shocked.

“This is unacceptable as far as Odyssey is concerned. They paid for a ride they couldn’t complete,” Savalli says. “One of the biggest expenses Odyssey subsidizes is monthly bus passes.” Generally, Savalli adds, Odyssey youth have a very good experience on the bus.

Savalli offered to give STA sensitivity training. She invited STA representatives to a meeting with members of the gay community and the police department to discuss this and other recent incidents involving members of the gay community.

“Frankly … I think they’ve been extremely responsive,” Savalli says of the STA.

At the time of the incident, Jahn says she simply wanted an apology. Not anymore.

“It’s too little, too late now,” Jahn says.

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I drive a bus (not for STA, but have friends that do) and I don´t care if you are white, black, yellow, straight, gay, bi or whatever, there are conversations you don´t have in public places unless you are looking for a rise. I have asked middle schoolers to stop cursing and 20 somethings to not revel in their sexcapades. I have not kicked anyone off because the all stopped the conversation. Maybe the driver was a little harsh, but the moment you call me prejudiced, you can piss right off and I con´t want to be around you anymore. And why would you ask someone to keep talking about something you know they find unpleasant to hear about? That is ridiculous. And bringing up the driver´s religion? That´s BS. There´s the quote that ""Freedom of religion is freedom from religion" and this is similar to me. "Freedom of sexuality is freedom from sexuality" I don´t want to hear who you like to bone.
Nov 03, 2011 | Reply to this comment

 

Also, found this in the STA Rules of Conduct,
"30. Committing any act which tends to create or incite, or creates or incites, an immediate breach of peace, including, but not limited to (a) fighting, (b) racing, (c) obscene language and noisy or boisterous conduct tending to cause a breach of the peace, and (d) personally abusive epithets, or words or language of an offensive, disgusting or insulting nature, which epithets, words or language when addressed to the ordinary citizen are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke a violent reaction of fear, anger or apprehension;"

Sounds like it´d fall under this

http://www.spokanetransit.com/about-sta/view/rules-of-conduct/ Nov 03, 2011 | Reply to this comment

 

I completely agree with the comments from jKReaper. If you are loudly announcing to the other passengers that you are in the ´queer section of the bus,´ you are looking for a rise, deliberately making others uncomfortable, and waiting for an opportunity to accuse others of being homophobic. Nov 04, 2011 | Reply to this comment

 

I am a 50 heterosexual woman. I ride the bus occassionally and I would never discuss my sexuality, nor do I want to hear about others. Where are our manners? And now you are going to have your mom sue because she didn´t teach you how to act in public? Please Nov 04, 2011 | Reply to this comment

 

I disagree with all of these comments so far, I am a lesbian age 18, and even if I wasn´t I still would agree with those students. They stated "this is the gay section of the bus" because people had heard there conversation and wanted to clarify for them, not as to start anything. After people had exited the bus they had asked the driver if they could continue their conversation because they thought she wanted them to stop because of other passengers. Also, might I add, they were not talking about their sexual escapades or anything they just mentioned that they liked the opposite sex, not that they had sex with 100,000 women or men, just who they were interested in, which is not rude considering I see both heterosexual and homosexual couples making out in public on a daily basis. As to reply to jKReaper; their conversation would not fall nuder any of those, since normally talking about your sexuality would not cause any of those listed, even in Maine which is where I live people are accepting of me. I have people in my college classes who do not agree with same sex marriage but still treat me like a human and I have never cause somebody to jump into action when I hold hands with my girlfriend or talk about her. I believe that they were just curious about the driver´s religion not pinning it on that and when the driver became more bias about their sexuality they had a right to know whether she was kicking them off for being a homophobe or what. Nov 04, 2011 | Reply to this comment

 

-Asking about religion after being asked not to discuss sexuality on the bus is not a question for mere curiosity´s sake, but a petty implication of narrow-mindedness.
-I´m guessing the students didn´t really need to clarify their conversation for the enlightenment of the other passengers. As the other passengers were not pressing for an explanation, letting the moment pass would have been the tactful option.
-And you´re right: it IS rude for couples to make out in public. But the person who asks them to stop for the sake of public decency shouldn´t be threatened with a lawsuit.
Nov 04, 2011

 

No. She did not say, "this is the gay section of the bus." She said, "this is the QUEER section of the bus." If I were to come to you and ask, "Are you queer?", would you be offended? I bet you would. Then they got on their phone and started to push the driver on the code. THEN you ask the driver what their religion is THEN you start throwing around the discrimination card. That would have been the final straw for me also. It seems to me that these people are simply pushy loudmouths. That driver had the UTMOST patience for a couple of classless people. But hey...*clap clap*...bravo to these two for running to the local rag to look like a couple of dips. Nov 04, 2011

 

WOW a person with some BRAINS!!!! Nice to meet you! It took a while I was starting to lose faith in Spokompton! These kids were greatly mistreated.... Nov 04, 2011

 

 
 
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